The biggest challenge... I think we're in the fifth year right now, and I think it's probably the same with all the other software, but I think it's good to be in the fifth year, hmm...

I think it will be a turning point. What do you think?

("What kind of turning point is it specifically?" asked the host)

I still think that the user base is maturing, or it's becoming that way, and I think online games are pretty much "Be similar to national management" for us.

Gradually, there's a lot of frustration with the government, or rather with us. At the moment when it might explode.

Well, in our case... we're in a state of explosion right now.

In the end, as Mr. Kawamata said, failure is not even a success.

I think there are a lot of things that go on when you fail, fix it, fix it, fail and fix it.