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【バーチャル】hololiveファンスレ#50710【youtuber】
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【バーチャル】hololiveファンスレ#50715【youtuber】
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2020/11/26(木) 03:12:59.77ID:Jot5bmMu0
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:05.59ID:nKpPp/M10
>>135
かっさんは一回見て切ったが普通にぺこ純はアリだぞ
かっさんは一回見て切ったが普通にぺこ純はアリだぞ
164名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:09.32ID:JfBOTbEG02020/11/26(木) 03:23:10.28ID:1sfe1o7i0
>>146
同じゲームを擦るのがホロライブなので
同じゲームを擦るのがホロライブなので
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:13.05ID:kXVx21vA0
>>120
下ネタ苦手だから見てないだけだが
下ネタ苦手だから見てないだけだが
167名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:15.54ID:v4ghmRCs0 >>140
客取られると思ってるお前が怖い
客取られると思ってるお前が怖い
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:19.66ID:5qaXZjN20
>>140
客取るのはマリンだぞ
客取るのはマリンだぞ
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:24.67ID:hcvnW1XSr
>>120
またヘラったら一味総出で慰めたらいいからな
またヘラったら一味総出で慰めたらいいからな
170名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:28.01ID:myTfwvUk0 昨日のスナック兎田質だったのか
4chanで1万5千字も使って要約されてた
4chanで1万5千字も使って要約されてた
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:29.81ID:MrwQvPyk0
>>152
限界までうんち置く
限界までうんち置く
172名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:31.97ID:GGWHNnaIr >>30ダッサ、カミキリムシか何かか?
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:32.14ID:53yOfBFk0
>>146
無双とか単純作業の繰り返しで画面的につまらないからな
無双とか単純作業の繰り返しで画面的につまらないからな
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:39.87ID:+w7nbuuA0
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:42.64ID:6GFd2dRY0
>>170
貼って🥺
貼って🥺
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:45.83ID:zRLzOFll0
>>164
成瀬鳴が345はバフゲーまである
成瀬鳴が345はバフゲーまである
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:52.67ID:MaA2jUKRa
>>135
ここをぺこ純応援スレとする
ここをぺこ純応援スレとする
178名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:52.79ID:Jzh73Xoi0 >>170
外人も大変やな
外人も大変やな
2020/11/26(木) 03:23:55.72ID:w76WxgI60
>>170
どんな労力だよ
どんな労力だよ
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:00.70ID:Xpt/QoYH0
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:04.45ID:+0DazdRS0
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:06.93ID:nKpPp/M10
>>109
スバルのやつ誰か貼ってくれ
スバルのやつ誰か貼ってくれ
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:10.28ID:QjxwXvci0
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:10.39ID:HE7j0v2ia
桃鈴のほうがみたいよな
185名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:12.28ID:GGWHNnaIr >>30キアゲハの幼虫が確かこんな柄だよな
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:12.93ID:4FSQrJLf0
>>170
野うさぎデバフから解放されたからな
野うさぎデバフから解放されたからな
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:15.55ID:4M2S1kKX0
安達としまむら好きなんだけどこれから樽見ってやつが参戦してきてドロドロするの?
そういうの苦手なんだけど
そういうの苦手なんだけど
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:26.82ID:Valz1Mme0
>>181
嫌儲でみた
嫌儲でみた
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:27.31ID:1sfe1o7i0
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:29.47ID:GTLC9E7SM
>>170
熱量すげーな
熱量すげーな
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:29.80ID:vwtfNyD2d
ぺっさん匂わせすぎ
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:32.68ID:/2BCd9D20
>>170
論文かな?
論文かな?
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:34.70ID:Ty0QrFWa0
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:36.09ID:xG9NM59y0
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:40.23ID:Z32JvMpk0
>>181
ケンモメンが作ったcgじゃん
ケンモメンが作ったcgじゃん
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:43.27ID:fmAB+der0
>>116
マジレスするとそれでも普段の数字より1.5倍から2倍に増えてる
マジレスするとそれでも普段の数字より1.5倍から2倍に増えてる
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:51.50ID:EYIatq6Ra
>>139
つまり一番コメント読んでる配信がapexなあくあがトップライバーになれない理由は普段コメント拾わなすぎだからってことか
つまり一番コメント読んでる配信がapexなあくあがトップライバーになれない理由は普段コメント拾わなすぎだからってことか
198名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:57.73ID:iBBhJrDlp >>120
マリンって基本空き巣と下ネタしかいじられてないやん
マリンって基本空き巣と下ネタしかいじられてないやん
199名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:24:58.25ID:v4ghmRCs0 >>186
運動会の裏話定期
運動会の裏話定期
2020/11/26(木) 03:25:02.95ID:mzQuB3+90
>>104
ゴミ配信しかねえよな
ゴミ配信しかねえよな
2020/11/26(木) 03:25:05.44ID:hcvnW1XSr
202名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:25:06.80ID:Sek5UTMi0 >>109
うーん魚肉ソーセージ
うーん魚肉ソーセージ
2020/11/26(木) 03:25:10.05ID:XDqI/VGO0
>>152
ソロ用コンテンツやるんじゃね?
https://i.imgur.com/GVdNYbS.jpg
10年トライアルのルール
・ひとりプレイ専用のモード
・プレイ年数は10年で固定
・COMは「妖鬼妃」を「エンマ」で固定
・デストロイ号は出現しない
・歴史ヒーローは登場しない
・終了時の総資産額を、全国ランキングに登録できる
ソロ用コンテンツやるんじゃね?
https://i.imgur.com/GVdNYbS.jpg
10年トライアルのルール
・ひとりプレイ専用のモード
・プレイ年数は10年で固定
・COMは「妖鬼妃」を「エンマ」で固定
・デストロイ号は出現しない
・歴史ヒーローは登場しない
・終了時の総資産額を、全国ランキングに登録できる
2020/11/26(木) 03:25:10.76ID:Sxvf6cBH0
>>102
つながりがないからアピールしてるのかつながってるから余裕でパクってるのかどっちかだろ
つながりがないからアピールしてるのかつながってるから余裕でパクってるのかどっちかだろ
2020/11/26(木) 03:25:29.97ID:kR7MsY3pd
>>194
潜伏にじガイ出てってくれないか?😄
潜伏にじガイ出てってくれないか?😄
2020/11/26(木) 03:25:42.21ID:+7ZRThhD0
207名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:25:45.93ID:HXYsgZqR02020/11/26(木) 03:25:49.13ID:igqxrcMxd
>>135
純ならええよ
純ならええよ
2020/11/26(木) 03:25:49.16ID:HE7j0v2ia
ぺっさんってなんでゼノブレ2やらねえの?
210名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:25:51.24ID:iBBhJrDlp >>170
やたら高評価多いの外人せいか
やたら高評価多いの外人せいか
2020/11/26(木) 03:25:51.67ID:jlfiicWA0
>>147
ぺこらの時だけスレ見たけどなんでフブちゃんの時は厳しかったん
ぺこらの時だけスレ見たけどなんでフブちゃんの時は厳しかったん
212名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:25:58.53ID:JfBOTbEG0 >>176
えぇ・・・ホロスタ以下じゃん
えぇ・・・ホロスタ以下じゃん
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:07.91ID:QjxwXvci0
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:08.28ID:Valz1Mme0
やっぱり皆もルーナ以外配信の質が低くなってるのは薄々感じてたか
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:12.95ID:F1OHtCKw0
>>193
ゲーム実況主体で見たら権利ガイガイがダントツできついな
ゲーム実況主体で見たら権利ガイガイがダントツできついな
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:14.80ID:/1VYgpvRa
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:27.34ID:PrBY96sa0
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:34.50ID:jhC2cB4p0
ムーナはよ復帰して
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:34.94ID:692RzGACd
というかニコ生の配信者なんて大抵かっさんに憧れ抱いてんだから今さら騒ぐ様なことか?
AKUKIN建設がHIKAKIN匂わせだって騒いでるようなもんだろ
個人の囲いとか太客匂わせしない限りここでガイガイするような事ではない
AKUKIN建設がHIKAKIN匂わせだって騒いでるようなもんだろ
個人の囲いとか太客匂わせしない限りここでガイガイするような事ではない
220名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:35.53ID:iBBhJrDlp >>209
見たくないからええわ
見たくないからええわ
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:35.79ID:1Zv6kpvkr
>>170
要約とは
要約とは
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:36.23ID:MaA2jUKRa
やっぱおかゆの安定感なのらねえ😘
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:40.74ID:rU4kH5WI0
オフで集まってなんかやるなら普通に歌うか飲んで雑談してくれたほうがおもろいわな
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:42.55ID:/2BCd9D20
RDRやれっつーんだよ!
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:45.49ID:kXVx21vA0
>>211
親方ガチャしただけだもん
親方ガチャしただけだもん
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:49.23ID:XyA2PaUp0
この子ホロライブに移籍してきてほしいなぁって思うにじさんじ
ラトナ・プティ
本間ひまわり
後は?
ラトナ・プティ
本間ひまわり
後は?
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:52.65ID:4M2S1kKX0
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:53.28ID:fmAB+der0
マイクラ楽しめないから最近の質配信あくあのスマブラVIPぐらいしかない
あとアマンガスはそこそこ
あとアマンガスはそこそこ
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:58.78ID:gtjOg3MM0
でも冷静に考えるとドルジに粘着されてる純という構図なんだよな…
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:59.11ID:nKpPp/M10
>>195
何がしたかったんだ
何がしたかったんだ
2020/11/26(木) 03:26:59.86ID:QjxwXvci0
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:00.48ID:a0CNaxBN0
フレア
お腹タプタプです
お腹タプタプです
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:02.61ID:w76WxgI60
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:14.14ID:Valz1Mme0
>>226
モルル
モルル
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:16.21ID:PEEODusM0
>>211
ガチャすら途中で終わりの一時間ブツ切り配信とか評価高くなるわけない
ガチャすら途中で終わりの一時間ブツ切り配信とか評価高くなるわけない
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:20.74ID:6Vci+a770
なんで無しじゃなくなったの?
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:23.49ID:A/bovgU40
ソロやるなら収益化できないとやってられないだろ
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:24.85ID:H2uSFDsVd
239名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:25.83ID:GGWHNnaIr >>140ワンチャン外人は吸えるかもなパトラが
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:29.17ID:F1OHtCKw0
>>135
流石に重岡
流石に重岡
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:38.89ID:8ySOIA/k0
242名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:40.93ID:iBBhJrDlp >>217
一味こわ😭
一味こわ😭
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:45.87ID:dID7KcCA0
ドラクエがまた見たい
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:48.68ID:w76WxgI60
>>236
アフィのレスが目障りだったから
アフィのレスが目障りだったから
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:49.77ID:Z32JvMpk0
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:49.93ID:8OjH4MHz0
ホロメンってだれかマリオワールドやった?
2.とか3もあるのに初代ばっかやってるイメージしかないんだよな
後マリオRPGなんとかできないかな
スクエニ問題あるんだろうけど任天堂から出たゲームだからやらせてあげてほしいわ
2.とか3もあるのに初代ばっかやってるイメージしかないんだよな
後マリオRPGなんとかできないかな
スクエニ問題あるんだろうけど任天堂から出たゲームだからやらせてあげてほしいわ
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:50.33ID:+w7nbuuA0
>>170
面白かったわ
面白かったわ
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:55.02ID:1Zv6kpvkr
>>211
1時間枠でガチャだけやって終わった
1時間枠でガチャだけやって終わった
2020/11/26(木) 03:27:55.23ID:zRLzOFll0
Some stuff yesterdays stream.
I really loved listening to this stream so I might have gone overboard with this summary. So I apologize for the walls of text in advance.
She was really drunk by the end of this stream, bless her dumb brain.
>Collab with Kiara
She thinks it hasn't been told what they will do yet and as per usual with her collabs she tries to keep it a secret but it gets exposed every time by the other collab partner, so the chat eventually says Minecraft. Someone did ask her if it was going to be an off-collab and she was very quick to deny it.
They will be doing a tour of the JP server. Pekora has already thought out the sight seeing route which will end with them making some memento, and then end with the Haachama rollercoaster. Pekora also says she wants to do a prank on her although she hasn't been able to think of one yet.
>Realization that she'll reach a million within the year
It was until she reached 950k subscribers that it truly hit her that she'll reach a million within the year
>Regarding Wacca and the PekoMiko collab
She used to play Poppun a lot when she was little, she'd go to game center with friends, thought they were fun but would never imagine that she'd have her own song in one of the machines therefore super happy that she got the opportunity
I really loved listening to this stream so I might have gone overboard with this summary. So I apologize for the walls of text in advance.
She was really drunk by the end of this stream, bless her dumb brain.
>Collab with Kiara
She thinks it hasn't been told what they will do yet and as per usual with her collabs she tries to keep it a secret but it gets exposed every time by the other collab partner, so the chat eventually says Minecraft. Someone did ask her if it was going to be an off-collab and she was very quick to deny it.
They will be doing a tour of the JP server. Pekora has already thought out the sight seeing route which will end with them making some memento, and then end with the Haachama rollercoaster. Pekora also says she wants to do a prank on her although she hasn't been able to think of one yet.
>Realization that she'll reach a million within the year
It was until she reached 950k subscribers that it truly hit her that she'll reach a million within the year
>Regarding Wacca and the PekoMiko collab
She used to play Poppun a lot when she was little, she'd go to game center with friends, thought they were fun but would never imagine that she'd have her own song in one of the machines therefore super happy that she got the opportunity
2020/11/26(木) 03:28:00.68ID:mzQuB3+90
ゼルダ無双もゴミだろ
つまらんつまらん
つまらんつまらん
2020/11/26(木) 03:28:04.79ID:Tfv5Cc7V0
ひよこの毎事集計ひどいのが挟まってる・・・
252名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:28:09.16ID:myTfwvUk02020/11/26(木) 03:28:11.72ID:adyBCAWD0
>>170
外人はラジオ代わりのコンテンツを必死に文字で読むのかw
外人はラジオ代わりのコンテンツを必死に文字で読むのかw
2020/11/26(木) 03:28:14.66ID:zRLzOFll0
>Dance lesson and Towa(Towa also shows up in chat here)
Towa was at the dance practice as well and she talks a bit about their interactions.
She'd avert her eyes from Towa and was unable to properly speak to her because of her stranger anxiety and says that if they meet up in person a second time she'll be better since she would have gotten a bit more used to it, Towa teases her and says it was depressive to be treated like that. All throughout the story Pekora goes full dogeza apologizing and says that next time she'll surely be perfect and be able to talk to her without trouble(Said with no confidence as she just adds probably in the end)
>Keyboard warrior
Chat calls her a keyboard warrior(ネット弁慶) and she pauses for a while before saying that; "Yeah if I can't see the person then I can say whatever so, yeah that's correct".
>Went to the dance lesson without sleeping(It is weird she says no sleep but later on it sounds like she did sleep some, only that it was far, far too little)
She says that there was a reason for that and lets the chat guess, they guess that she was playing Octopath all night and she confirms it. What she did was that she finished both the other routes after the sponsored stream was over(Her final time on stream was something like 13 hours and she shows a screenshot of 22 hours). At the dead of night she thought that she has to stop and get atleast 3 hours of sleep until she was going to go to the dance lesson but she continued anyways, then she fought a side boss and when she died there she gave up for the night.
On route to the dance lessons she was nodding off while having her thoughts completely filled with fighting the boss, thinking of when to burst, what skill to use, and how she has to win. She dozed off for a moment and woke up just as fast.
Chat ask when she went to bed and she says that it was before this stream, she briefly retells her day, ending the stream, playing all night finishing the routes, sleeping for what sounds like an hour at most, went to the dance lesson, then came home and crashed.
Towa was at the dance practice as well and she talks a bit about their interactions.
She'd avert her eyes from Towa and was unable to properly speak to her because of her stranger anxiety and says that if they meet up in person a second time she'll be better since she would have gotten a bit more used to it, Towa teases her and says it was depressive to be treated like that. All throughout the story Pekora goes full dogeza apologizing and says that next time she'll surely be perfect and be able to talk to her without trouble(Said with no confidence as she just adds probably in the end)
>Keyboard warrior
Chat calls her a keyboard warrior(ネット弁慶) and she pauses for a while before saying that; "Yeah if I can't see the person then I can say whatever so, yeah that's correct".
>Went to the dance lesson without sleeping(It is weird she says no sleep but later on it sounds like she did sleep some, only that it was far, far too little)
She says that there was a reason for that and lets the chat guess, they guess that she was playing Octopath all night and she confirms it. What she did was that she finished both the other routes after the sponsored stream was over(Her final time on stream was something like 13 hours and she shows a screenshot of 22 hours). At the dead of night she thought that she has to stop and get atleast 3 hours of sleep until she was going to go to the dance lesson but she continued anyways, then she fought a side boss and when she died there she gave up for the night.
On route to the dance lessons she was nodding off while having her thoughts completely filled with fighting the boss, thinking of when to burst, what skill to use, and how she has to win. She dozed off for a moment and woke up just as fast.
Chat ask when she went to bed and she says that it was before this stream, she briefly retells her day, ending the stream, playing all night finishing the routes, sleeping for what sounds like an hour at most, went to the dance lesson, then came home and crashed.
2020/11/26(木) 03:28:18.75ID:a65A1L57d
>>226
リゼと戌亥引っこ抜いたら後はいらない
リゼと戌亥引っこ抜いたら後はいらない
256名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。
2020/11/26(木) 03:28:19.36ID:8gh7w+ysa >>242
傍から見てると野うさぎの方が怖い😭
傍から見てると野うさぎの方が怖い😭
2020/11/26(木) 03:28:19.71ID:A4PPztWe0
ホロファン見やすくなったと思ったらID付いてじゃん
ついに荒らしに屈したのか…?
ついに荒らしに屈したのか…?
2020/11/26(木) 03:28:20.05ID:fjF/6q1Q0
おいねね
アップロードするはずだった動画はどうした?
また嘘吐いたのか?
お前は本当にやる気がないな
船降りろ
アップロードするはずだった動画はどうした?
また嘘吐いたのか?
お前は本当にやる気がないな
船降りろ
2020/11/26(木) 03:28:20.43ID:zRLzOFll0
>More dance lesson stuff
Says it isn't her first time going to a dance lesson but today there were very good Holomen there and she counts up Matsuri, Aki, Towa, and Pekora, she asks "Isn't that odd?!"(Referring to her being there along those actual good dancers)
She also thought she was going to be alone today so when she actually met up with these three she got pretty surprised and nervous.
She awkwardly greets them and they greet her back and they start the lesson. At the start they are doing self-introductions one-by-one and Pekora explains the feeling she felt as if dry heaving, basically stating that she is very bad at this sort of stuff. At this point she starts talking so fucking fast, saying it wasn't an embarassing thing but(Then cuts herself off and says she needs to drink to calm herself down. Right now she is straight up chugging her drink), after a couple of chugs she says that she needs the alcohol to heal her body from the hardships within her head, then takes a few more gulps.
Says that the introductions were in the style of their normal ones and uses Matsuri as an example, then when it was her turn she says that she doesn't know who could be watching her so she just awkardly forces out a お願いします, よろしくお願いいたします
Says it isn't her first time going to a dance lesson but today there were very good Holomen there and she counts up Matsuri, Aki, Towa, and Pekora, she asks "Isn't that odd?!"(Referring to her being there along those actual good dancers)
She also thought she was going to be alone today so when she actually met up with these three she got pretty surprised and nervous.
She awkwardly greets them and they greet her back and they start the lesson. At the start they are doing self-introductions one-by-one and Pekora explains the feeling she felt as if dry heaving, basically stating that she is very bad at this sort of stuff. At this point she starts talking so fucking fast, saying it wasn't an embarassing thing but(Then cuts herself off and says she needs to drink to calm herself down. Right now she is straight up chugging her drink), after a couple of chugs she says that she needs the alcohol to heal her body from the hardships within her head, then takes a few more gulps.
Says that the introductions were in the style of their normal ones and uses Matsuri as an example, then when it was her turn she says that she doesn't know who could be watching her so she just awkardly forces out a お願いします, よろしくお願いいたします
2020/11/26(木) 03:28:23.27ID:6GbG3L97a
>>226
りりむがホロで育った姿を見てみたかった
りりむがホロで育った姿を見てみたかった
2020/11/26(木) 03:28:30.11ID:GTLC9E7SM
>>211
ノエルの誕生日枠があるから1時間しか配信しなくて
内容もガチャ引いて「かわいい」or「かっこいい」しか言わなかったから
とにかく内容が頭に入ってこない声で面白くもなくてなんでこいつが金盾なのかわからんって言われてる
ノエルの誕生日枠があるから1時間しか配信しなくて
内容もガチャ引いて「かわいい」or「かっこいい」しか言わなかったから
とにかく内容が頭に入ってこない声で面白くもなくてなんでこいつが金盾なのかわからんって言われてる
2020/11/26(木) 03:28:36.12ID:Valz1Mme0
>>252
論文みてえた
論文みてえた
2020/11/26(木) 03:28:38.34ID:jhC2cB4p0
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